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USA: Men have to register for the draft in case of war but women don't.General (self.MensRights)

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[–]DrewYetti 84 points85 points  (6 children)

Yet feminist claim that women are “oppressed” and men are “privileged.”

[–]corncookies 33 points34 points  (0 children)

they want the "percieved" priviliges they think men get but not any of the actual disadvantages men get because in their mind from their biased perspective that would be sexist for them to experience any form of negativity ever

[–]Main-Tiger8593 10 points11 points  (4 children)

common feminist responses...

  1. there was no draft since the 70s in the usa
  2. patriarchal men installed and uphold the draft, conscription, selective service
  3. feminists want to abolish it
  4. men try to silence women if they mention gynocentrism or misandry

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it’s true, there’s no mandatory draft since the 70s in the USA so why are you so focused on it…

There’s a huge population of Israel soldiers that are female… don’t they have like a mandatory service for like 3 yrs or something? Quite whining.

[–]gmnotyet 88 points89 points  (2 children)

And feminists have the nerve to say that men have bodily autonomy.

Tell that to the 60-year old Ukrainian men who are dying daily in trenches on the border with Russia.

RIP

[–]ConsiderationSea1347 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Men probably make up almost 100 percent of the state sponsored killings because of war. 

[–]Main-Tiger8593 6 points7 points  (0 children)

common feminist responses...

  1. there was no draft since the 70s in the usa
  2. patriarchal men installed and uphold the draft, conscription, selective service
  3. feminists want to abolish it
  4. men try to silence women if they mention gynocentrism or misandry

[–]AutumnWak 43 points44 points  (3 children)

NCFM is filing another lawsuit against selective service. https://ncfm.org/2024/05/activities/national/ncfm-press-release-ncfms-lawsuit-against-the-selective-service-system/

Go donate to them if you haven't already. They do a lot for men's rights. Way more than anyone else.

[–]Grand-Juggernaut6937 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The fact is there’s no such thing as getting rid of a draft. Once the government needs soldiers, it’ll come right back.

[–]Centurion7999 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well the ladies better be joining us then, cause it’s either get in the raffle or lost your vote, tis how it should be

[–]_WutzInAName_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks very much for raising awareness of NCFM's great work fighting for equal rights. I donated.

[–]bigskycaniac 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Draft Our Daughters.

[–]_WutzInAName_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Expanding Selective Service registration to both men and women is a good idea. Not just because it promotes equal rights, but also because it'll keep us out of unnecessary wars. America is less willing to sacrifice both sons AND daughters than sons alone.

Ideally, any elected official who supports a draft should also have to visit the front lines themselves, along with at least one of their children. Now that would really keep us out of bogus conflicts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Democrats want to do exactly that

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4730560-senate-democrats-require-women-draft/amp/

[–]Excellent-Berry-2331 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Because they'd see their rights taken away and get mad and the men are used to it and don't complain.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well I got my money on men so I guess it’s not terrible lol. But it is yet another double standard in a supposedly “equality” driven world.

[–]hendrixski 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's always been like this, even before it took the form of a draft.

Because men have been oppressed for thousands of years*.  We've been forced to fight against our will for the profit and protection of wealthy families.  The men women and children of the wealthy classes have exploited us, leading men to lifelong trauma, physical disability, and death. They claim it's our "duty" and lots of the language around "be a real men" comes from this exploitation.

Wealthy women and men will always seek to exploit somebody for their wars. We need to liberate ourselves from this man-hating idea that it's a man's obligation to serve in war and then we need to change society so that the draft becomes gender-neutral.

[–]Royal_IDunno 21 points22 points  (0 children)

And yet people think men got it easy? There’s so much proof out there to say otherwise.

[–]gudCrusher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah that sucks we need to abolish the draft

[–]SidewaysGiraffe 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Cowardice, mostly. If the Boomers had a tenth of the courage they think they do, Jimmy Carter would've been hauled before a court and left hanging from a tree the moment he brought it back.

[–]jessi387 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You mean it was taken away at one point ? Ignorant Canadian here

[–]SidewaysGiraffe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes- after the Vietnam war, registration stopped; Carter brought it back after some Soviet shenanigans.

[–]MisterBowTies 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Men have to agree to fight and die in any war at the whim of our leaders for any reason they decide in order to EARN the right to vote. While women screamed about it and were GIVEN the right to vote for literally nothing.

[–]_WutzInAName_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s why we need to overturn the unjust laws that oppress men.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The Green Party and the libertarian party both advocate for abolishing the draft

https://www.gp.org/green_party_condemns_reinstatement_of_draft

https://www.lp.org/issues/foreign-policy/

[–]WeEatBabies 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The Green Party is a bunch of feminists who benefit from the fact that the suffragates blocked the equal rights amendment, so that the male selective service can't be successfully argued away in court.

They say they want to get rid of selective service to get your vote, but....

Should they come to power, they would never abolish the draft!

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In 1945, the US was facing a critical shortage of nurses for the European theatre. There were several effort to raise more volunteers but none were successful. There was a bill to draft nurses, most of whom would presumably be women, and passed through one house (can't remember if it was the senate or house of representatives). While it is going through the other though the European war was over though and made it unnecessary.

Most consider defeating Hitler one of the most worthy causes of any war, so I'm a bit doubtful of the idea on the libertarian page that if the cause is just enough, there will always be enough volunteers.

Just a guess, but I think most volunteers the US gets are because a kid is looking at his/her options and they go into the military crossing their fingers they won't have to ever actually go into combat. Just the $ for college is a pretty big incentive.

I had a friend during high school considering joining the reserves, but I asked him questions like was he really willing to potentially go oversees and shoot at people? I don't know how much my influence was, but he ended up not doing it. Over the next 10 years, the US called up reserve units a few times and sent them oversees.

[–]CompetitiveOffer5339 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand why only men are still being drafted. It makes so much more sense to draft both genders. For one the whole equality thing. Two, if we go to war then we’ll have more people fighting. Three, they’ll be more of both genders at home. Leaving a good amount of men and women to take care of the country.

[–]calmly86 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Here’s how much faith you should have if women are ever included in the draft; in 2005, as the 101st was preparing for their second deployment to Iraq, hundreds of female soldiers were magically pregnant just in time to avoid going. Now, a lot of those women had signed up after 9/11, knowing that going to war was a huge possibility. Sure, for some it was simply time to start a family… but for the rest, they understandably chose nine months of growing a baby and eighteen years of raising said kid, over going to “war.” THAT is how badly they want to avoid being forced to do what men are automatically expected to do - that they will happily engage in “baby making” which they will paint as the most amazing experience a woman can have or the most evil patriarchal torture a man/the state can “force” them to endure, depending on her whim of the moment.

[–]Fearless_Ad4244 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a source on your claim because it would mean that women don't actually find giving birth as painful or hard as they think it is?

[–]Francis_Dollar_Hide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because male privilege:

Dulce et Decorum est.

(only for men though)

[–]Imwastingmytime_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just want to say to all the men who are reading this this world is truly sickening it really just did a 180 on how society treated men I’m sorry if I’m ignorant in the history of men’s right and whatnot but I just have to tell you as a 19 year old girl I have a lot of empathy for all of you and I care about you all deeply I hope God can heal your trauma and sadness truly the world we live in has never been so evil you can all see it clearly because it’s all against you guys I wish I could hug all of you because I’ve read a lot of posts and videos about how it’s like to live in todays world as a man and truly my heart breaks seeing how much pain you all go through never do anything drastic and harm yourselves you are all beautiful in the way God created you and his love for you will never stop please believe in Jesus and be connected with your creator he’s waiting for all of you to speak to him and repent he’s using me to speak to all of you he wants a relationship and he will never stop loving you to all the men out there reading this I mean it with my whole heart ♥️ Anyone who is reading this message I will tell you something important that suddenly people will go missing and it’ll be framed as if it was a alien abduction but it wasn’t once this happens people will panic most children will be gone and once this happens you have to repent to God he loves us and he wants me to tell you all the truth because you don’t know how bad things are gonna get once this happens get a bible anywhere and read book of revelations it’ll explain everything that’ll happen don’t be scared because once you repent to Jesus he won’t forsake you you have to tell others about Jesus because they’re as scared as you all are and confused tell them what just happened and explain to them about it and if you have to die for Jesus do it don’t be scared of death once you have Jesus with you and read your bible take this message seriously it’s God trying to get you all to him because his eternal love is too strong for his message to not be heard

[–]Different-Product-91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because men are seen - by women and by politicians of every political orientation - as commodities and appliancies that are only good for serving the well-being of "WOMENANDCHILDREN" and that of the ruling class.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh

Senate Democrats have added language to the annual defense authorization bill to require women to register for the draft, prompting a backlash from Republicans and social conservatives and complicating the chances of moving the bill on the Senate floor before Election Day.

Conservatives led by Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) are certain to attempt to remove the provision requiring women to register for the draft, which could present a tough vote for Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Jacky Rosen (D-Nev.) and other Democrats in tight reelection races.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4730560-senate-democrats-require-women-draft/amp/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think instead of bringing it a women’s issue, just think about abolishing the draft instead lol.

[–]Ok-Music-7346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweet and Norway have conscription for both and Denmark plans to add it in 2027, adding it for women is still and option 

[–]HumpableJson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the reality is women aren't useful in war and yet they don't acknowledge that. It's always, "we can do everything just as well as men can." 🤡

[–]Eden_Company comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points  (13 children)

If you have a major war and women die, you'll have generational issues lasting 40-60 years. If you have a major war and men die, your economy kind of suffers for 4-20 years maybe. This is not the main reason for the draft only applying to males, but it's certainly a factor in keeping it that way. You can ask China what it feels like losing tons of women.

[–]corncookies 0 points1 point  (12 children)

the draft applies to men because, contrartly to what activists say, men are physically stronger than women as there is a visible difference, more muscle mass, more lung capacity, taller in height and denser bones, it makes sense since it literal nature the female only picks the strongest male to procreate with since that would yeild the highest survival chance, nature's selective breeding made it that most men are physically stronger than the average women, there can be women who are up to the standard sure, but that is the expection, its only until more recent times where social roles became acceptable for both sexes, i belive in societal equality as neither a man's nor woman's word matters less but in a physical context out very biology suits us for different purposes and its clear it carried over into our times, from fighting in tribes to modern armies it just made sense

[–]disayle32 2 points3 points  (10 children)

The Israel Defense Force conscripts women along with men and it's one of the most effective, feared, and respected militaries in the world. Care to explain how you reconcile your position with that fact?

[–]corncookies 1 point2 points  (3 children)

are you literally denying biology? plus you either didnt undetstand what i said or didnt read all of it, i said that men are more physically fit for battle but women can serve too if they are up to the same standard, that being a minority of women thought and not the norm

[–]disayle32 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Your position seemed to imply that a country which drafted women would have a less effective military due to those biological reasons. The Israel Defense Force clearly shows that is not the case. They're the ones who are "denying biology" and it's working just fine for them.

[–]corncookies 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you do realise that there is more than just infantry troops? and the backing from the U.S.? or the amount of planning going on for such feats? i dont even want to respond anymore because to me it looks like you are intentionally being vauge and dishonest 

[–]disayle32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, I'm aware that a military is not just made of infantry. I'm also aware of their support from the US. And of course they have lots of planning, because surprise surprise, the IDF is a highly competent fighting force. A status that they achieved and continue to maintain while being closer to true gender equality than any other military in the world. If they can do it, anyone can.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Drafting women doesn’t all the sudden make your army virtuous at all

people from all around the world have been condemning Israel for carpet bombing Gaza and genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and genocide of people in Lebanon and Israeli settlers stealing land and homes from people in the West Bank and Lebanon

People aren’t criticizing the Israeli government for drafting women but for conducting genocide

And criticizing legislators who sent taxpayer money to the state of Israel for aiding and abetting genocide

[–]disayle32 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

The population of the Palestinian territories has steadily grown for their entire history. Populations suffering from genocide don't grow. Hamas and Lebanon attacked Israel first and now they're suffering the consequences of their hatred. Try again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is literally the same exact argument defenders of the Chinese government used in regards to the Uyghurs

The criteria for what constitutes genocide has never been whether the population grows faster than the rate you kill them

[–]disayle32 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Show me someone defending the ChiComs' treatment of the Uyghurs. Then explain how exactly Israel defending itself fits the criteria for genocide. Provide links to trustworthy sources to back up your arguments.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You can just go to the Sino subreddit or the influencers that defend the Chinese government on YouTube twitter/X and other platforms

As far as how Israel fits the criteria it’s not hard

The Israeli government officials have compared the Palestinians to the Amalekites of the Bible

Israeli government officials constantly have dehumanized Palestinians by calling them animals making fun of thier suffering

Causing serious bodily harm and mental suffering by bombing hospitals

Deliberately preventing food and medicine from reaching Gaza and not punishing Israeli citizens that put themselves in the way of semi trucks that contain food whose destination is Gaza

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nature's selective breeding made it that most men are physically stronger than the average women

I used to assume this too, but I remember reading genetic research that found the precursors to homo sapiens that the strength was more even and for some reason it was mainly due to the females getting weaker and not so much that the males were getting stronger. They were trying to figure out why or what triggered it, but hadn't been able to find anything yet.

Their speculation was that the most common mutation is deletion or essentially "use it or lose it" and there simply wasn't a significant advantage for a female's reproductive success on her strength any longer. If the males will protect you, you don't need it perhaps?

[–]Capable-Mushroom99 -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

It’s been over 50 years since the US could legally draft anyone so it seems like a silly thing to get upset about. The requirement to register expired at that time but was reinstated in 1980 by Jimmy Carter in a presidential order; any president can make it go away, no action from Congress required.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

While thankfully no one is being drafted in the United States the program shouldn’t exist at all nor should people be required to sign up for a draft just so they can get an education drivers license or anything else

[–]Capable-Mushroom99 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Sure it would make sense to get rid of it but is any president going to do it given that the other party is guaranteed to use it against them? And do you think it really matters? Registration is just one bit of data about you when you were 18 that wasn’t even that useful 50 years ago. In the modern world if the govt ever wants to find you and make you fight they have far better ways to do it; every transaction you make is in a database, your phone calls, emails, your license plate is tracked as is your phone.

[–]_WutzInAName_ -1 points0 points  (1 child)

A president with courage and integrity will. Say what you will about Biden, but he demonstrated exactly that in pulling us out of our Afghanistan quagmire, even though the other party used it against him.

If Selective Service registration continues to exist, it should be equal opportunity for both genders. That's fair. It's a problem that men become convicted felons, get fined, imprisoned, and have other rights taken away simply for not registering on time, while women are completely exempt from it.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women are completely exempt from it

They're only currently exempt from registering. There's nothing really prohibiting them from potentially being drafted other than the political suicide it would be for any congressman to sponsor such a bill or vote for it. Congress almost did draft women in 1945 due to a shortage of nurses for the European theatre.

One thing that's interesting too is that the Military Selective Service Act doesn't really address how to handle transgender people. It's being interpreted as anyone assigned as male at birth is required to register and anyone assigned female at birth is not required to register. Seems like a savvy lawyer could potentially have a field day with that.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It’s been over 50 years since the US could legally draft anyone

Right or wrong, in 1918 the Supreme Court ruled it's right in the Constitution itself. Specifically, the power granted to Congress to "raise and support an army" included the power to use conscription to accomplish it. So conscription has been legal since at least 1918. Any draft bill on top of that is just making use of that power and dealing with the practicalities of using it, like registering and how many were to be drafted. If you rescinded all the draft bills, or didn't use them, the power is still there unless that Supreme Court decision is overturned, for example by a constitutional amendment.

[–]Capable-Mushroom99 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You seem a bit confused; Congress hasn’t authorized a draft so it isn’t legal and hasn’t been since 1973.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How would you define the terms "conscription" and "a draft"? Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

Sure, if the Governer of Nevada on his own accord sent letters to a couple thousand Nevada residents that they were now enrolled in the U.S. Army and to report to Fort ____ within 30 days, that would have to be illegal somehow I would imagine.

Technically the U.S. President couldn't either without a draft bill passing Congress.

So, yes, you are technically correct. Currently drafting is not legal in the U.S. Most of the time I see people bringing up the draft on this sub, they mean conscription too. When you wrote "US could legally draft" I mistakenly assumed you were referring to Congress & the President, since any draft would start as a bill in Congress and then be signed or vetoed by the President. It's perfectly legal for Congress to write a bill conscripting people, specifying how to pick people, how many, and passing it. That's what I was trying to get at.

[–]Capable-Mushroom99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally wrote that the Constitution gives the power to Congress to raise a draft. Congress has to pass a bill to do so and has not since the previous one expired more than 50 years ago. It’s not that complicated. Any draft is not legal until they do, and any argument about who is or isn’t drafted is irrelevant until then because regardless of any registration process it is entirely up to Congress to decide who gets drafted. As I said the current registration process was created by Jimmy Carter after Congress let the previous one expire with the draft, and he never had any power to say who would be drafted and when.

[–]Heiley_Tler -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Because fighting is for men fucking pussy

[–]CompetitiveOffer5339 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude did not just freak out, because someone said one gender shouldn't have to kill people and die. While the other doesn’t have to. 

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    [–]disayle32 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I totally think the draft should be abolished.

    A noble aspiration, but it's simply not going to happen. No government will ever give up its power to send its citizens off to war if it's deemed "necessary". If every country with a draft was forced to choose between equalizing it or abolishing it, all of them would choose the former and it wouldn't even be a close contest.

    If those in power know they won’t have a virtually unlimited number of bodies to throw into a situation, perhaps they’d try harder to find non-violent solutions.

    Those in power don't give a shit about bodies dying when those bodies are male. Just ask Ukraine and Russia. But they do give a shit when the bodies dying are female. For that reason, I think a country with an equal draft would be more likely to seek non violent solutions. Israel is one good example of that. The overwhelming majority of wars they've fought have been purely defensive and if their neighboring countries would just stop attacking them, that region would be a lot more peaceful.

    Women provide the vast majority of caregiving in this country for children, the disabled, & seniors. We do not have an adequate infrastructure to take care of people as it is, if women were drafted as well, who would take care of all these people?

    Signing up for the draft doesn't guarantee tomorrow you'll be drafted. And in the event of it being activated, some exceptions could be made for women in essential positions, just as is done for men. But women must sign up for it just as men must. The current state of affairs is a complete violation of the 14th amendment right to equal protection under the law and therefore it is unconstitutional and illegal.

    Could pregnant/breastfeeding women be drafted? I’m assuming no, so there would probably be a huge baby boom of women wanting to avoid having to going to war. So now we have a more vulnerable population that requires more limited resources & fewer women able to work to keep civilians & soldiers supplied.

    The solution to that one is simple: Force both drafted men and women to take birth control and severely punish those who refuse. Furthermore, not all drafted people will be fighting. For every soldier in the field, there are 5-10 non-combat support roles that can be filled by drafted people who don't meet the requirements for combat duty.

    Finally, sexual assault is still a massive problem in the military, for women & men. You add a whole lot more women into the mix before somehow fixing that problem & you have a recipe for disaster.

    Then we fix that problem. How does the Israel Defense Force handle it, I wonder?

    [–]_WutzInAName_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Excellent points. Thanks for your thoughtful commentary.

    [–]Marianna_Rosebeth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You do realize that women can fight in different units than men, it already is happening in our current military.

    Also the fact that you say women are suppose to have a caregiving motherly role and that men are suppose to fight on the front lines shows that you have a traditional, stereotypical, attitude. What says that men can't also be caregivers or that women can't alos fight on the front lines.

    Also pregnancy is a medical exception, there are rules that give exceptions to PEOPLE not just women, if they have a specific medical conditions with lets be unable to serve into a draft.

    The only reason why feminists want the draft to be abolished is because they don't have to do the same hard work that men are forced to endure, but at the same time, they also want equality.

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      [–]Danpackham 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Why not have both women AND men back home caring for injured soldiers. And then it can finally be more balanced

      [–]Fearless_Ad4244 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      We can see now how much women are having kids and with how much contempt they view it. They would still not do it even then since women can't take responsibility and would say it's misogynist that women have to have more kids.

      [–]Different-Product-91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think the qustions boils down to one single "argument": there is one gender whose life is considered intrinsically more valuable than the others' by those whom this attitude benefits. That's inhuman, hypocritical, dishonest and shameful, and all men should stand together to end this once and for all!