Men are FORCED to stay in Ukraine. They have no choice. There was a mandated order where men of a certain age range are FORCED to be in the country and fight. The women that stayed back are first of all a minority and secondly, it is a VOLUNTARY choice for them. Please understand what the difference is.

I literally said in the last thread discussion I had on here multiple times how unfair it is that men have to fight. I said that exact thing. So you're not blowing anyones socks off with new information here. I mentioned the women serving only in response to your statement that:

"The men are giving up their lives for THEIR COUNTRY. The women are making money FOR THEMSELVES. One is selfless, the other is selfish. they may not be best on the frontline, but what about support roles? Drone operators, supply truck drivers, medical roles, etc"

Well some women are serving, That was the reason I mentioned it. Of course there could be more, but I don't think Ukraine is short of women that want to make a difference in whatever way they can. I don't see why there's any disagreement on this point.

Because if you can't put your body on the frontline, do something else about the war. If you are going to do OF, do OF FOR Ukraine. Use that OF money and donate that to the country to help your fellow men who are being slaughtered

Maybe some do, you have no idea. Also, most people, and most Ukrainian women will work for Ukraine. But just for the record, I actually know Ukrainian men who fled the country to avoid the draft. So, is that selfless? Or selfish? What have they done for Ukraine by fleeing? Ultimately, It's a massively complicated mess over there and this sub is mad about a tiny TINY portion of the population who makes porn.

My initial point was not about the morality of OF (or gender roles in conflict). My point was that the surge in OF creators is driven by Male demand. We actively encourage that industry to flourish. That was all I had to say. I had very little to say originally about where they spend that money blah blah.

You don't seem to understand what a privilege these women have it where they are not forced to fight and they are free to flee and act as if the war isn't a thing in their life. Wake up white knight.

Not white knighting, believe me! I understand how society favours women at times, but I try to balance that understanding with times it favours men. However war ain't one of them, pretty much all major conflicts have been men dying while women stay home. So this is an age old issue.

No what we're talking about here is the female privilege at play where the men are forced to stay, fight and die and the women have the freedom to flee and live elsewhere.

I actually agreed this was unfair multiple times in a previous thread. I don't blame you for not having read it, but yeah I never disagreed with this take.

We're merely bringing up the sheer selfishness of some of these women. not all, because we've already gone over the women that have VOLUNTARILY stayed back

Again, I have never disagreed with this either. I was saying that people have to make money and OF can pay big, AND the demand promotes the supply. Selfish people gonna selfish no matter what, but we can try to avoid the normalisation of this type of work by denormalising the practice of its consumption. And I think that's a male issue to address.