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[–]Jalal_Adhiri 157 points158 points  (3 children)

Women are in western europe enjoying life.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

no brooo evil men are oppressing me from the middle east oh good heavens

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in Germany.

They get the same ~ 1000 € per month as a german citizen who is unemployed and has no ensurance that covers it. Thats ~ 400 € after rent. If you got lucky for a flat with two rooms. For the kids they get extra money and can rent more rooms.

All the refugees as well as old pensioners living for ages semi alone in large houses and increasing building prices have worsened the availability affordable housing.

Additionally ukrainian females were able to take a regular ride here without having to pay 10 000 € for illegal immigration because they have the right kind of papers (Visum) and are allowed to just leave their war comfortably.

It is a huge slap in the face of all non ukrainian (male) migrants because they have to pay off the < 10 k dept and send another 10 k to a relative in order to help them in their home country or get another one migrated. They get overall less money from the government, have long fights about residence laws they dont understand, are not allowed to officially work for years and recently were forced to use payment methods that make it much harder to get cash to send home instead of groceries and goods.

Germany has a huge problem with boomers entering pension and no one replacing their work (tax paying) force. Younger generations work less and earn less while rich poeple avoid more taxes. I dont want to know how this country would look without illegal money flooding it for decades because of lax money laundering legislation. I just want to see how the prices of housing would decrease if not half of Berlin would be owned by laundered money holders.

We take and protect ukrainian fertility and kids in exchange for weapons and ammunition. It pumps up our own military industrial complex because you cant produce millions of artillery shells per year without having a decent throughput for years and slowly expanding the facilities. This is over due since ages. Our military is a fart against USA or China.

[–]63daddy 178 points179 points  (31 children)

This relates to a similar post today.

How can a country claim to be in dire straits regarding troop needs while at the same time give half the potential viable population a free pass from serving simply because of their sex? We’re not talking about a few people here, we are talking about sexist identity politics limiting their force by about 50% of it’s potential, in a time of crisis!

The just and efficient answer isn’t to draft younger, older and less capable men, the answer is to equally include the half of the population they’ve been exempting. In today’s warfare, there are many positions women can serve in.

I call hypocrisy and question why other countries should support Ukraine when it prioritizes sexist identity politics above national defense even in war.

[–]WonderfulPresent9026 89 points90 points  (7 children)

The worst part of all this (as a guy on the internet not forced to go out to war kill people and due against my will obviously that is the actual worse part of all this) is the gas lightning.

You best believe the next time you get in an argument about how men where never oppressed and how women are tge majority victims in war you'll bring up this clear sexism and they will tell you "women are fighting to you sexist"

[–]63daddy 78 points79 points  (4 children)

That so relates to feminist revisionist history. I was recently arguing with a feminist who claimed advantaging women is justified because men were advantaged in the past.

Well, by that same logic, only women should have to register with selective services and fight in war for the next 250 years.

For most of American history, a husband was responsible for his wife’s debt, so by the feminist argument, moving forward wives should have to pay a husband’s debt in return.

For over 100 years, women criminals have received notably lighter criminal sentencing. According to feminist argument, criminals who are men should receive notably harder sentences moving forward.

Funny how feminists and others only apply this concept when it advantages women moving forward.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 31 points32 points  (2 children)

You noticed that feminists want all the rights and no responsibility .It’s only good when it benefits them .  They don’t want all the  hard work and responsibility that’s required to have all the things they want.

They want to be CEO and have a 36 hour work week , all kinds of leave and paid everything .  

They are not in reality.  To become CEO you work your ass off and work 80 plus hours while being available 24/ 7 365 .

It’s stuff like this that really gets frustrating 

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How much work does a CEO actually do when you have people like Elon musk who are CEOs of multiple companies at the same time

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elon Musk is the exception. Most CEOs are all but living for that company or corporation . A CEO of a small or medium sized LLC is tied to that company.   My sisters husband was a CEO of. Medium size business. He began to hate it . He will never do it again.   He consults as a executive management for a short term and then lets the company sink or swim without him.  

When I was constantly deploying to random Middle Eastern hell holes . I dated a woman  was   a para legal for a large law firm . They do mostly finance, business, international business law . The  attorneys and partners would work 16 plus hours and be constantly on the phone I remember  the attorney who she worked with  taking calls on weekends we were friendly with  him and his wife  and if not deployed We hiked on weekends.  The guys wife was concerned about his mental health. The stress was phenomenal. 

Not that being constantly deployed on a very short notice to extremely dangerous high risk ops is not stressful. It destroyed that relationship.

Men make civilization possible. 

All those nice things and comfortable home , reliable power  , clean water yea it needs work,  sewer systems , roads so trucks can bring all those goods to a store near you are made possible by men .  Men make it possible for you to sleep safely while they risk their lives in hell holes thousands/ kilometers  of miles from  home.  

That’s what’s really behind this entire sub .  We do everything for a safe mostly civil society especially in western countries and even South America. It. Has its problems but  is starting to figure out what has been causing their problems. It’s  different reasons than  North America and  Europe.  

Men are getting screwed  in western countries in particular.  We do everything that makes a civil society and are blamed for everything especially if it’s a woman’s poor choice.  

Eventually things change especially in western countries. 

Speaking of Elon Musk . Why do you think the left was terrified of him buying Twitter.  

Do you realize the guy came from South Africa as a poor immigrant and with a college friend created Pay Pal. He didn’t just become a trillioniar because he started Tesla. He is a eccentric guy definitely. He can afford to be.  He was a Democrat for a long time.  He helped finance legalization of marijuana in many states and pushed for various reforms that benefit small businesses. 

Try running a business and see how much  of your time it eats .  Yeah you make a lot more. At huge costs .

Feminist want all  the  rewards without the risks and hard work..

[–]WonderfulPresent9026 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I will say it one ten times one hundred times a thousand times.

THEIR WAS NO TIME IN HYSTORY WHERE WOMEN WHERE "UNIQUELY" OPPRESSED IN ANY LARGE SCALE IN ANY NATION.

Any time you ever hear a feminist argue such it comes with them completly ignoring the oppression men had to go through based on their gender at the time.

To those who are not very literate (even though I know these people pretend not to understand on purpose) this is not me saying women where never oppressed it is actually saying that women where never in a situation where they where being oppressed and men wear this also being oppressed based on their gender as much as the women where if not more so.

[–]LAMGE2 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Just ask them if they really know the meaning of “conscription” to shut their dirty mouths up.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They will conflated it to mean thet you volunteered . Yeah you “ voluntarily “ gave up  your rights as a citizen if  as a man you don’t sign up for selective service.  You are ineligible for any  benefits! 

Lets see It’s a felony to not register.   Oh what does this say . 

The goal ia to register all men !https://www.sss.gov/register/benefits-and-penalties/

Hmm a felon looses all kinds of rights including the right to own firearms! Imagine that .  

That law should be unconstitutional.  It says you will do this or else! 

Yet excludes 50 percent of the population.  

There’s plenty of things women can do in the military. Anyone can drive  a truck . Use a forklift in supply depot,  work in the armory ,  be medical corps, oh wait those all have potential to to enemy fire?  

Ah the bravery of being out of range. 

I believe  now men are automatically registered at birth with a new law .   How convenient.  

Yeah getting shot and mutilated  in combat is   O big deal, try being pregnant !  Yeah ok .   Having been shot and wounded severely it’s extremely painful and recovering is a permanent painful process. Never mind the PTSD  , depression and other crap you live with . 

Many guys wives divorced them when they became disabled in combat!  How empathetic and compassionate. 

The woman will say “ I didn’t sign up for this !! I want my freedom , taking care of  my wounded husband isn’t fun! Im bored !  “ 

Lets see what happens uf a man left a disabled woman? We already know what happens. 

[–]Fearless-File-3625 34 points35 points  (1 child)

It's actually worse than giving free pass, they are straight up letting women flee the country.

In WW2, women worked in factories in US, conscripted as nurses in UK and fought on the frontline for USSR. Only thing Ukrainian women are fighting for is German schlongs.

[–]Different-Product-91 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well said!

[–]qjxj 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How can a country claim to be in dire straits regarding troop needs

It's worth noting that it is the US that is making these recommendations. When push comes to shove, the so-called champion of equality will not be arguing over identity politics; only men have to register for Selective Service.

[–]walterwallcarpet 28 points29 points  (13 children)

Serve women with enrolment papers, with the proviso that they can avoid the draft if they relinquish their right to vote. Legally binding.

This is the only way that things will ever get better for men, politically.

[–]LAMGE2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I as a man would gladly waive my right to vote if it means gov’t can’t enslave me in war.

[–]63daddy 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Respectfully, why give women that out that men don’t get? If that’s afforded to women, shouldn’t it be afforded to men as well?

[–]walterwallcarpet 24 points25 points  (0 children)

You're right. I was so cross that I wasn't thinking properly!

Hell, I'd take that option for sure. I'm not going to fight and possibly die for a system that despises me, and puts artificial barriers in the way of meritocratic progress.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Isreal and Norway  require women to serve  .  I have seen  both . They are perfectly capable of driving vehicles, firing  artillery,  anyone can carry and fire a M4 or AK . 

I saw a  5ft 2 petite Norwegian woman carrying and firing a 25 - 35 LB MG 3 .  It’s  essentially a WW 2 German MG 42 chambered for NATO 7.62 / Winchester .308 .

They gave about a 1,000 round per minute cyclical rate . They will do serious damage. 

I have used them and they  mow down enemies  like a scythe. 

If a tiny woman can carry then fire the things they can serve in many roles.

The Soviets used women  to operate the cramped T 34 / 85 and their SU series self propelled artillery and tank destroyers.  As well as Snipers. One of most decorated Soviet snipers was a woman actually a Ukrainian woman.  

You can read about  her . She  was given a 1891 bolt action Mosin Nagant 7. 62   After a fellow soldier was injured. She picked off  two German officers at at least 400 meters without any previous training! 

Don’t tell me women cannot fight or be violent or serve.  

Her story  is really amazing.  

Women are not fragile helpless beings 

 

[–]Fearless-File-3625 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Israel women are not sent to the frontline, worst they do is logistics and administrative things and Norway hasn't fought a real war in 200 years.

Believe me, all this is performative; when push comes to shove only men will sent to the meat grinder.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I am not taking thier side . Logistics might seem safe . Until you drive that vehicle with supplies to the fron. Those pilots flying helos to med evac are in combat . Women pilot  UAVS. Which is safe but many UAV pilots get PTSD the see everything. The fire 155 mm artillery and more. We had to have women with us when we went into remote villages. They won’t let   men talk with women .

Norway sent troops to Afghanistan.  They had women manning MG 3s and M2 HBs at their FOBs .  You don’t want to be on the receiving end of of them regardless of the sex of the person firing them.  

I’ve turned a technical with a DShK into a heap of  useless metal with a Browning .50 . 

The meat grinder is changing with technology. It’s everywhere. A drone can turn a rear area into a hellish nightmare 

Wait until  Iran does something stupid.  They  let Hezbollah abd Hamas agreed to a cease fire only because thry have no idea what Trump might do. 

Biden was a feckless, spineless, weak pathetic coward.  He  is responsible for a lot of the chaos in the world.  Who knows who was actually doing the job of president. It was known to powerful   people who had access to Biden thstvhe was having serious cognitive problems before running for president!   

Not that Trump will do much more tjsn say stuff to get media attention. At least he isn’t  doing any real governing .  

Woman are perfectly capable of modern warfare Ukraine never should have allowed them to leave in large numbers.  

[–]Fearless-File-3625 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Go check the IOF stats on number of deaths for men and women, it is as if women are never conscripted. Women who are in logistics, which is very few, are far far away from the frontline. They are no in danger, not from missiles, drones or anything.

Afghanistan was not a real war and Norway only sent volunteers. Norway will never conscript women to frontline.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unm Afghanistan was a hell hole.  Asymmetrical warfare is the new warfare.    I was severely wounded in Afghanistan.  

Those supply convoys took a lot of fire.  Women were operating serious weapons.   

Afghanistan will drive you insane. It’s a really fucked up  place.  Multiple very different cultures were forced into a country by the British and Russian empires a in the  late 1,800s . The respective governments drew lines on a map .   

Unless you experienced it you have no idea how really fucked  up Afghanistan is .  They fight amongst themselves and have no real concept of being a citizen of a country.  

 Many people live very similar to how they did for thousands of years.   There’s some really barbaric and sexual depravity as well as other  things that sent many decent men spiraling down some dark road of despair  or into a very dark and terrifying place .

 There was a lot of poly drug abuse  and some stuff that is really disturbing.  The men and women who served there deserve our utmost respect and if needed fully taken care of  financially ,  medically and psychologically  .    That place is hell on earth. 

Don’t ever say ot wasn’t a real war . It was  a nightmare. We should have been allowed to do our mission. Get Bin Ladin ans eliminate Al Queda and the Taliban. Not nation building. The military is for waging war not building a western style republic in a country that is stuck in the bronze age ! 

BTW. If I am fighting a overwhelming enemy. Attacking logistics ,supply ,  communication , command and control are my first targets. 

The Ukrainians did just that . You don’t think we don’t have Intelligence operators and SF guys advising them ? 

They did exactly what I trained to do in such a situation. Go after supply convoys, staff officers , static artillery a Russian doctrine from  W W 2 the massed artillery and fired . What they did not expect was Ukrainians to use ingenious ways to blow up their artillery then they got Himmars .  Which can fire highly accurate rockets then leave in under 5 minutes.  

The NATO one or two man anti tank and armor weapons like Javelins made a high difference .  

Women can most definitely serve.  Anyone  can drive many vehicles.   

I had the  opportunity to drive T 72s and BMP/ BMT 3s they are designed so any random soldier can drive and operate them within  under 1/2 hour.

The US and NATO countries could easily copy the vehicles . Ukrainin has the damn  blueprints and manufactured them for the Soviets then kept ob making inexpensive weapons to export. 

Their mistake was giving up nuclear weapons.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Afghanistan was a failed western imperial crusade against tribals in flip flops. That's not a real war, you can call it asymmetric warfare or whatever to help you cope that you guys lost to tribals with ak47 in flip flops.

Afghanistan is not stuck in bronze age, it was sent there by US supporting religious fundamentalist mujahideen, many of whom later joined Taliban, under Operation Cyclone against the democratic government of Afghanistan who were trying to push for progressive reforms in the rural conservative countryside.

It's a damn shame that dirty American hands got on Afghanistan and made it a shithole. Truly the one of the most evil empires in the history.

[–]SecTeff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes correct the Soviets had the 588th Night Bomber Regiment made up entirely of women.

Viking women fought as shield-maidens. Either sex can operate a drone.

I am all for women and men being equal. That means in time of conflict women fight alongside men, or they do other roles to support the war effort.

During WW2 in Britain many women served in munition factories and in the land army. It’s a fault credited as one of the things that helped to lead to more women being able to get jobs as they demonstrated they could do ‘men’s work’.

So feminists should be arguing for women to be playing an active role in Ukraine’s war effort.

[–]Reasonable-Agent-278 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s  interesting  how feminists leave out or willfully ignore what women have been doing for a very long time.

With technology either sex can serve on the front line . 

They might want to read some of the biographies of the women that  served in  The Office of Strategic Services, which morphed into the CIA and British intelligence services .  

Often women are preferred as covert operatives .  They can flirt their way past security or draw less attention as potential trouble. Who would think a small woman is going to blow your munitions plant  into  a pile of dust ? 

If you use OLD , there’s a lot of Ukrainian and to be fair Russian women who “ escaped “ as in ran away  from their respective countries. Not that Russia  has been a great place to live before Putin decided a invasion was necessary.  Historically Russia and Ukraine have a less than friendly  relationship. Russia has repeatedly tried to invade and make Ukraine part of Russia.

Yes women can serve in a war effort. They don’t want to and it’s becoming difficult to make them . 

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

>Serve women with enrolment papers, with the proviso that they can avoid the draft if they relinquish their right to vote.

No, if they get pregnant instead. Ukraine will need to replace all the dead from this war and if they want to continue to exist as a people and nation they will need babies, lots of babies.

So either get pregnant and do your duty that way, or get used as sniper bait. War has this beautiful way to not care about bullshit like "feminism" and "autonomy".

[–]Different-Product-91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But it won't abolish the criminal practice of drafting men.

[–]SidewaysGiraffe 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I question why other countries should support Ukraine when it chose to do nothing in its own defense AFTER Russia seized Crimea from them. Why should my tax dollars go to prop a country that can't even be bothered to TRY to protect itself against a known and imminent threat?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

They did lots of improvements after crimea was taken by the Russians. That is why the Russian plan to take Ukraine in 3 days, still is not done after 3 years.

Russia is a enemy of the Usa. And as such supporting Ukraine is a good way to fight the enemy without losing American lives. Russia is in fact killing Americans as we are discussing this, read about The Havanna syndrome, who in fact is Russians using ultrasound weapons to kill or criple Americans and their children. CBS 60 Minutes on youtube have several episodes about it, check it out.

[–]SidewaysGiraffe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They refused- AGAIN!- an invitation to join NATO, and failed to secure any alliances with ANYONE, ANYWHERE. This, despite knowing they couldn't hold off another attack. Their plan was "wait until we get attacked again, then go around begging stronger nations to help us".

And no, Russia is not "an enemy of the USA"; the Cold War's been over for thirty years. Putin's continued attempts to build lasting glory atop a mountain of skulls may be a threat to American economic and political hegemony, but that doesn't mean squat to the average citizen.

Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.

[–]lancelongstiff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I missing something? When did Ukraine refuse an invitation to join NATO?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conscripting women is a surefire way to have your entire frontline collapse. Conscription means recruiting from the average population, the average woman is less than useless as a soldier, absolute dogwater, the cream of the crop of female volunteers, the ones who actually pass the physical tests, are a tiny minority and even they get lower requirments.

Armies around the globe dont want women in frontline duties because they are a deteriment to the military, its the harsh truth, the average woman is a net loss for a military, unless their entire purpose is to guard logistics or something similar, but Ukraine needs troops that partake in active and heavy combat.

What do you think a 60kg 150cm woman with the musculature of a 10 year old boy will bring to the table?

If i was an officer i would only use them to draw out enemy fire so artillery and airpower or actual useful soldiers can take out said positions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The true effect is trading women and kids for advanced weapon systems.

[–]Ok_Night_7767 50 points51 points  (2 children)

That's a pretty clear indication of what the US stance will be if/when another draft is initiated.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

men born on ze 28th of september must go into the meat grinder 💪💪 equality

[–]Different-Product-91 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The draft hasn't been an issue in most Western countries for the only reason that there have not been major conflicts they were involved in. As soon as this situation changes, "equality" goes out the window - for men.

[–]szopongebob 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Even if they do suggest to enlist women they will just “get pregnant”, like what many do to avoid prison sentences

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest they would just fake some illness or complain about their existing ones all day so no one would want them in their brigade anyways. We dont have to pretend that estrogen is a good fighter hormone.

Id say they have to produce kids and go to work in any NATO country to do their part and thats whats happening except in Germany because we feed everyone who fakes an illness and cant work for this or that reason.

[–]SidewaysGiraffe 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"A senior US administration official". They're not even brave enough to admit who they are.

[–]AndreasDasos 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Suddenly, when male lives are to be expended, it’s obvious that all women are weaker and slower than all men. And it’s all hand to hand combat. But when it’s convenient, this is unthinkable and 50% or honestly more of all action heroes must be representative of those multitudinous Strong Female LeadsTM who weren’t here a moment ago in real life.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

how will this affect womenz

[–]IceCorrect 14 points15 points  (2 children)

They believe that women would give birth to next generations of Ukrainians, while they already settled in the western countries

[–]trthorson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yet 0% of people who make that claim would support requiring pregnancy of those women as a similar "service to the country". Or support infertile women being drafted.

[–]Express_Glove3099 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol living in Miami and partying in Berlin.

[–]WV8VW 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You don't need anything else other than these stories about discrimination against men to understand why more and more men try to be women. It's legal to create anti men posts, tv shows, movies, it's legal to deny a mens right to know who is the father of his child, it's legal to make men the scapegoat anything bad happens, it's legal to abuse men mentally and physically, it's legal to not hire men just because of their gender, it's legal to send men to war, even the youngest, it's legal to take a mans house, money even if they did nothing wrong.

On the opposite side, women have to paint their face to fit in society. They need to work on their makeup skills. After that, they have more power than 99% of men. Tall women, short women, black women, white women, fat women, disabled women. If they perfect their makeup skills they have more chance to thrive in modern society than men who inherit great wealth and study for a decade in university. And when war happens, they would send a man doctor to the frontlines who cured thousands of people, before they would send women.

Even if only 1 men out of a 100, who identifies as a woman succeeds, or passes as they say, there is more chance to win the transition game than anything else. If they are able to fit in society as women they are in a better position than men who work 12 hours a day and study for decades.

Almost nothing beats the woman card in the game.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Here is a 2 minute video of a Ukrainian woman, speaking English, about how she wants to stay in Sweden even if the war would end.

And she is 1 out of 40.000 Ukrainian women seeking shelter in Sweden. Even Ukrainian female doctors come here, instead of saving lives back in Ukraine....

It makes me sick how men are supposed to die, for a nation who values men so low (not only Ukraine but all countries).

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/video/3faomr-flyktingar-fran-ukraina-ser-en-framtid-i-sverige-aven-om-kriget-tar-slut?spellista=WyJhc3RyaWQtdmlkZW9wbGF5bGlzdCIsIm5nbTZvNCJd

[–]throwaway44444455 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They’d probably rather draft 5 year old boys than grown adult women.

[–]MembershipWooden6160 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Many of them are going to die, but that's the price oligarchs are willing to pay to keep control or expand their turf. As sarcastic as it may sound. It's the exact same model Russian leadership employs. More cheap hoes are left for the oligarchs and mobsters who press others to be the cannon fodder for someone else's interests. 

The difference is that Ukrainian men aren't as easy to brainwash to go to their deaths, while Russians have no choice, grip is too tight and their military also doesn't care about its soldiers. That's why you have literal suicide waves of Russian troops and their allies, marching forward and suffering huge manpower losses for minor gains.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ukrainian women are in Qatar, Dubai, Istanbul, Antalya, New York, Miami, Los Angeles, so on and on. They’re living their best life. Hanging out with rich dudes, marrying rich men, establishing their OF accounts… I don’t think there’re as many young women stayed in Ukraine to fight against enemy.

[–]Yitastics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are too busy to fight as they are selling their body and hooking up with tens of men.

One fights in a war, the other has a war in bed

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Equal means equal everything

Want the same entitlements as men, get the same responsibilities as well.

It's all just woke gaslighting, for the last couple of decades.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ofcourse

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ukraine and Russia need to have ceasefire talks

While the United States should accept fleeing conscripts from every country including both Ukraine and Russia

[–]eternal_kvitka1817 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is mobilization for men only? Where is gender equality?