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[–]PropJoesChair 19 points20 points  (12 children)

Russia doesn't do this because they have the luxury of a huge population that also have a controlled information supply, but don't forget that they did do this earlier in the war. They use penal colonies and foreign mercenaries specifically to avoid this as it is so unpopular, especially in a war of aggression.

Ukraine is forced to do this as a smaller country in a drawn out fight for its survival against a much larger neighbour. My country has done it before, chances are high that yours has done too. Forced conscription is one of many miserable necessities of war.

The language you use and the fact you blame the ukrainian government for this suggests you're taking your information from questionable sources, or that you lack critical thinking.

[–]BRCityzen[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points  (11 children)

Russia went through one round of forced mobilization. It proved very unpopular, so the government listened to their people and stopped that very quick. Whatever you think of who's right and wrong overall, that's... actually... kind of the way democracy *should* work.

What Ukraine is doing is beyond the pale, as literally thousands of gut-wrenching videos attest to. There is no excuse for this crime against humanity. NONE. If a people are resisting the way the Ukrainian people are, then it is clear that they do NOT share your view on the necessity of this draft. They have collectively decided they would rather not fight this war. And guess what? If they're resisting like this, then maybe they know something that Americans marinated in propaganda don't know -they know their government isn't really fighting a war for survival.

Well... correction. The *government* IS fighting a war for survival -Zelensky's survival. And the people, particularly the men, actually ARE also fighting for their survival as well. Just not in the way you think.

[–]szmd92 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Ukraine’s population overwhelmingly supports resistance against Russia, according to multiple polls.

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    [–]szmd92 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    Of course there are people who oppose it too. But polls consistently show over 80–90% of Ukrainians support resistance, including in occupied territories. So saying that it is only the government that wants to fight is not true.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points  (3 children)

    Oh yeah? Look again.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

    Gallup is not Russian propaganda.

    [–]szmd92 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    This Gallup poll shows many Ukrainians want an end to active fighting soon, but it does not say they support surrendering to Russian demands. People can want peace while still valuing their independence and security. And fatigue after years of war is a normal human response, not evidence of lack of resolve.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    The questions were as clear as day -continue fighting the war, vs negotiate an end as quickly as possible.

    The results are just as clear. 69-24 for the latter.

    [–]szmd92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This poll does not show support for surrender or acceptance of Russian demands. The poll doesn’t ask about terms, sovereignty, or occupation. Wanting talks is not the same as wanting to give in.

    [–]Hour_Industry7887 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It proved very unpopular

    This is a myth. The mobilization was the first time the Russian general population felt the war impact their lives and it produced a huge surge of pro-war sentiment, because any negative effects are attributed to the enemy, not the Russian state. I watched with horror as my liberal left-leaning friends all shifted their views to be in favor of the war.

    The reason Russia isn't mobilizing en masse anymore is because the population is whipped into a militaristic frenzy with 30000 to 40000 men and women volunteering to fight every month. Conversely, Ukraine needs to mobilize because even given an equal percentage of willing volunteers, the country is still much smaller and much less populous than Russia.

    [–]henrysmyagent 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    I'm not saying OP is Russian propaganda-farm troll...

    ...but he sure sounds like one.

    [–]Forbidden_Scorcery 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, he’s either that or just another brainrotted “west = bad” tankie.

    [–]Ohforfs 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    Edit/OP is Chinese person who is deeply invested in US-PRC rivalry. They don't actually care about men, or Ukrainians - they perceive Russo-Ukrainian war through these Chinese geopolitical interests and propaganda competition lens.

    Now, I'm well aware that Russia is not the most popular country on English-speaking Reddit.

    Yeah I wonder why.

    The support for the war was never as great in Ukraine as has been portrayed in US/Western media. And what support there was, has pretty much dried up. Actual people in Ukraine -not the government -but people, want this war to end.

    Yeah, they want peace but not at the cost of surrender. I wonder why. Maybe they know what that'd bring.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

    Yeah I wonder why.

    The fact that I couldn't even directly post the link should give you a hint as to why.

    Yeah, they want peace but not at the cost of surrender. I wonder why. Maybe they know what that'd bring.

    Who is they? The regime or the people? The people want peace even if it means territorial concessions. Zelensky wants the war to continue, because he loses power if there's peace. That's why elections have been cancelled yet again. The people know that nothing will happen to them even if the country surrenders. Maybe they'll live under a different flag, maybe they'll speak Russian, which is what they spoke anyway. Or maybe they'll just go on the way they've been going, because a realistic peace deal doesn't mean that suddenly Russia rolls tanks into Kiev; it likely means freezing the borders around where they are now. Whatever it means, they know it doesn't mean death, which is what will happen to them if they go to the front.

    You've been sold a bill of goods. This is not the way a country behaves when it's truly fighting for survival. The USSR was fighting for survival against the Nazis in WWII -everyone did their part, men, women -women flew combat missions in WWII; no one resisted when they were called up to the front. Vietnam was fighting for survival and reunification of their homeland against the American oppressor. Again, women in the North operated anti-aircraft batteries, set ambushes for the American aggressors, even commanded tank crews. In the South, entire villages organized to undermine the occupation. No one resisted the patriotic struggle against the US. Actually, in the American-occupied South, the puppet regime did have a lot of trouble getting people to serve in their military. Because that's not where the sentiments of the people were. In fact, it was widely acknowledged that the entire countryside was basically sympathetic to the North.

    Contrast that with Ukraine today- women sit in cafes puffing up their lips with filler and men are literally dragged kicking and screaming to the trenches. 200,000 cases of have been opened against men who've gone AWOL (and many more haven't yet been prosecuted). This is NOT the way a country behaves that wants to keep fighting. Actually, it looks a lot like the regime in South Vietnam -propped up by the West, not willing to fight, and meanwhile the people in the West being told all along that they're the "good guys."

    We need to stand in solidarity with the men in Ukraine who are resisting with every fiber of their being.

    [–]Minimum_Guitar4305 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Russian apologist detected.

    • Ukrane is labelled barbaric - for having to fight.
    • Doesnt  happen on any other country on earth - not very many wars to compare it too.
    • Russians offer big money, nice signing bonuses- Tell that to the dead North Koreans, tell that to the American youtuber serving in the Russian army and his wife.
    • The war was never supported by Ukrainians - straight lies.
    • Ukraine should just give up

    With only a passing mention of the gender issue of conscription?

    "Enough already."

    [–]BRCityzen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Passing mention? I think that's pretty clear in my post. In case you missed it: Zelensky literally sealed the borders for all men and boys 16-60. Men are being dragged off the streets daily. There are echoes of the post about Taiwanese conscription a couple days ago, except I explained how the conditions of this one are far worse. No women are subjected to this barbarism, no matter how healthy and able to fight.

    Ukrane is labelled barbaric - for having to fight.

    Did you even look at the videos? Look at them and listen to people screaming and tell me it's not barbarism.

    Doesnt  happen on any other country on earth - not very many wars to compare it too.

    Not like this. And there have been quite a few wars in modern times, and I even brought up a couple of them. Nothing like this has happened. Not in Vietnam. Not in Korea. On any side of the conflicts. Not even in WWII -not like this. Again. Watch the videos.

    Russians offer big money, nice signing bonuses- Tell that to the dead North Koreans, tell that to the American youtuber serving in the Russian army and his wife.

    The North Koreans were also paid. The Youtuber -that was a mistake. He did sign a voluntary contract, however he didn't expect to be put into the combat zone. Not sure what he expected when he signed up. In October he posted that he was on break from his 6 month deployment, but says he plans to continue serving.

    The war was never supported by Ukrainians - straight lies.

    Go back and re-read what I posted. I didn't say that. But regardless of the war fever that initially gripped *some* in Ukraine, there aren't many who support continuing the war anymore. See: the Gallup poll I posted in the comments.

    Ukraine should just give up

    I never said that either. Negotiated settlement on realistic terms is the best way out.

    [–]flaumo 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    I understand your point, and those are not the first videos of Ukrainian men getting shanghaied I see. I am also well aware, of what they have to endure in the trenches, or Russian PoW camps. I also know that it is easy to say some things, when you are browsing Reddit on your iPad in bed, in your house in Viennese suburbia. I also avoided the draft to the army when I was 18 by doing civilian service, which includes backbreaking work for 12 hours a day for 300 Euro in foodstamps, but is nothing compared to potential combat.

    You know, that now comes the big but.

    Putin is a aggressor, not only to Ukraine, but also to Europe as a whole. He is a threat to liberal democracy and human rights, which I value. When the war started / escalated a few years ago, it actually took me a few weeks to cope with the new situation, because I thought you can bargain with Putin, or acknowledge his interests and strike a deal. But he is a liar and an aggressor, you can not negotiate your way out of this. Even if you want to negotiate a peace deal now, this requires military strength on the ground to achieve a good result.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

    *sigh*

    This is what you're told Every. Single. Time. Every single new enemy to justify the West's wars. "This time it's different. " "X can't be bargained with." "X is literally Hitler."

    And this is what gives rise to sayings like "A liberal is someone who is against every war but the current one."

    The fact is, no, "Putin" is not going to roll the tanks into Europe. "Putin" didn't just get out of bed one day and say "Bwahahahaha! Today I vill take ze Ukraine!"

    Russia- not Putin (and I hate this tendency in the Western msm to personify whole countries) -Russia has concrete security interests. Agree or disagree, Russia sees NATO expansion as an existential threat to their entire existence. They didn't want this war, and they probably shouldn't have done it the way they did, but Ukraine in NATO is a red line for them, much the same as Mexico or Canada joining a Chinese-Russia alliance would be a red line for the US. And they want a deal, but one that is realistic and takes their security interests into account. Maybe it won't be "fair," according to people programmed in the Western thought process; "fair," to a Westerner, would probably be total capitulation, return of all territories to Ukraine (even if the people living there absolutely don't want to be with Ukraine!), and Ukraine gets to do whatever its government wants including join NATO and host NATO bases (which means essentially that NATO gets to do whatever it wants).

    Yeah... sorry, but in the real world, that won't happen. That does NOT mean there can't be a deal. In fact, Russia was literally offering one even in March 2022. The broad outline was that Russia pulls back from everything but Crimea (!) and no NATO for Ukraine. And then they flew in Boris Johnson and told Zelensky to keep fighting till the last Ukrainian.

    Now, 400K-600K dead Ukrainian men later, that deal obviously won't happen. But there will be some kind of a deal. Longer war just means more corpses piling up.

    [–]OstrichEven6885 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    So who is to blame for all of this in your opinion? I am really curious!

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    The overall war? None of the parties are blameless. The US, Russia, Ukraine, NATO... none of them showed the kind of leadership they needed to.

    The draft and its execution, which is what this post is about -that rests squarely on the shoulders of Zelensky.

    [–]Forbidden_Scorcery 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You have tankie brainrot bro. It’s ok, I had it too a few years back. I hope you recover.

    [–]flaumo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You can not reward Putin for his illegal war of aggression. Also countries don‘t have interest, people do. And I say „Putin“ instead of „Russia“ because I hope there is a difference between leadership and population.

    Also the (Bela)Russian leadership should think long and hard, why they feel so threatened by the EU, and Ukraine wanting to join. Oh they did that, and their answer is, that the decadent west is hostile to traditional Russian culture, and needs to be destroyed, before homosexuality and personal liberty destroys Russia.

    [–]fuckoffyoudipshit 5 points6 points  (12 children)

    Ukraine is fighting an existential war against a genocidal aggressor. The rest of the world decided that, at best, they will provide tacid support, but for the most part nobody gives a shit. The consequence is that a lot more Ukrainian men have to die to prevent a proper genocide.

    People like you keep harping on the Ukrainian government drafting people. The only reason they are drafting people is the russians invading them

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -1 points0 points  (11 children)

    There is no genocide. 15,000 civilians have died. Name me even one other war of this scale where the civilian: military casualty ratio is so low. Go ahead, I'll wait. Genocide is in Gaza, not in Ukraine.

    The rest of the world? Who is that? China and India alone are 42% of the world. Who do you mean by "the rest of the world?" The 12% of humanity that lives under the US empire and its vassal states? That's not "the rest of the world."

    It's not just that there's a draft, which is bad enough. I've literally never seen the kind of resistance to a draft ever in my life. I've never seen a draft so brutal, and so widely HATED by the population. The men of Ukraine (and the women close to them) are literally crying out for help. And Western liberals are deaf to their cries. Even on this sub, where every draft is hated, somehow people find a way to make an exception for the most viciously and brutally executed draft in the world, and the one that is most despised and most resisted by its own people. Take off your blinders.

    [–]fuckoffyoudipshit 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    There is no genocide. 15,000 civilians have died. Name me even one other war of this scale where the civilian: military casualty ratio is so low. Go ahead, I'll wait. Genocide is in Gaza, not in Ukraine.

    The inability of the aggressor to realize his ambition doesn't negate the ambition itself

    The rest of the world? Who is that? China and India alone are 42% of the world. Who do you mean by "the rest of the world?" The 12% of humanity that lives under the US empire and its vassal states? That's not "the rest of the world."

    As previously stated. Most of the world (including china and India) don't give a fuck.

    It's not just that there's a draft, which is bad enough. I've literally never seen the kind of resistance to a draft ever in my life. I've never seen a draft so brutal, and so widely HATED by the population. The men of Ukraine (and the women close to them) are literally crying out for help. And Western liberals are deaf to their cries. Even on this sub, where every draft is hated, somehow people find a way to make an exception for the most viciously and brutally executed draft in the world, and the one that is most despised and most resisted by its own people. Take off your blinders.

    The Russians have made it clear that they don't believe that there is a Ukrainian nation or a people. As far as the Russians are concerned these so-called Ukrainians are just confused russians that need to be shown the truth. This is as nakedly genocidal as it gets.

    All of those "realist" mouth noises about how the Russians can't be defeated and the Ukrainians just have to "make a deal" (submit to the genocide) are morally abhorrent, intellectually lazy and strategically stupid

    Morally abhorrent because it privileges our convenience over a proper genocide

    Intellectually lazy because russia will enthusiastically send Ukrainian men to their deaths in the next recreational war they decide to start. Your concern for Ukrainian men just rings hollow if you deny that

    Strategically stupid because it will just give the russians more conquered slaves to throw west making the problem worse

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    [–]Forbidden_Scorcery 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Genocide does not inherently mean mass slaughter. The explicit attempts at erasing a culture or ethnic group is genocide, and that is absolutely what Russia is attempting to do. They are literally kidnapping Ukrainian children and forcing them to denounce their Ukrainian heritage and instead be Russian.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Russia has taken children out of the front lines. Almost all of those evacuated were done with the consent of their parents. In a few cases the parents couldn't be found. Leaving them in a war zone was not an option -THAT would be genocidal. The wild numbers quoted by Western propaganda early in the war have not materialized. In more recent talks, Ukraine has identified a list of 500 or so children who were supposedly separated from families. Fewer than the Americans actually kidnapped during "Operation Babylift" during the American war of aggression against Vietnam. Russia also has a list of a few dozen. Less, because most of the war was fought on Ukraine's territory. Both sides have agreed in principle to return any children separated from families.

    That is not genocide. And it's also whataboutism. The post was about the horrific form of conscription being undertaken against the will of the Ukrainian people.

    [–]Forbidden_Scorcery 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I can’t find any source that confirms anything you said, but plenty that say the opposite.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You haven't looked hard enough. But I misspoke. It's not 500. It's 339.

    Ukraine compiles a list of 339 names of children it wants back, not 20,000.

    https://www.oreanda-news.com/en/gosudarstvo/ukraine-handed-over-a-list-of-339-names-of-children-instead-of-the-announced-20-/article1560955/

    Don't trust Russia? Here's a US source.

    https://nypost.com/2025/11/01/world-news/ukrainian-intelligence-identified-locations-of-339-abducted-children-and-compiling-list-of-russians-responsible-tried-to-erase-their-identities/

    Oh but they stick to their guns that they still claim it's like 35 gorillion. Ok... where are the names then?

    Meanwhile... there's a lot of stuff on Operation Babylift, if you bother to look.

    https://www.threads.com/@historyphotographed/post/DP_XNu0Cvue/in-the-final-chaotic-weeks-of-the-vietnam-war-in-april-1975-the-us-launched-an-u?hl=en

    The comments are on point too.

    [–]szmd92 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    You are spreading russian propaganda. Many scholars, human rights organizations, and international bodies have argued that Russia’s war against Ukraine shows clear intent to destroy the Ukrainian nation as such, which aligns with the legal definition of genocidal intent under the 1948 Genocide Convention.

    Statements by Russian officials and state media have repeatedly denied the existence of a distinct Ukrainian nation, language, and culture, framing Ukrainians as “Russians who have been misled.”

    Mass killings, deportations, and forced transfers of Ukrainian civilians — including children — have been widely documented by the UN, Human Rights Watch, and others.

    Systematic attacks on cultural sites, schools, and infrastructure are seen as targeting Ukrainian identity itself.

    “De‑Ukrainization” rhetoric — such as Putin’s claim that Ukraine is an “artificial” state — has been used to justify large‑scale violence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

    So many words. Scholars... alleged translations of statements by politicians... wikpedia articles. Of course wikipedia! That ready repository for arguments to support the Western propaganda line.

    All I asked for is to name just one war. Because numbers don't lie. Just one. Name it. I challenge you to find even one.

    [–]szmd92 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    You believe the same scholars, human rights organizations, and international bodies reporting genocide in Gaza, but refuse to believe them if they say there is also genocide in Ukraine?

    [–]BRCityzen[S] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    I don't rest my argument on the Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

    It's not "scholars" who I believe. It's numbers. Almost everyone getting killed in Gaza is civilian. Almost everyone getting killed in Ukraine is military. That is not genocide. That tells me that Russia is doing it's utmost to avoid one.

    [–]szmd92 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You do not know legal definition of genocide then. Again, Mass killings, deportations, and forced transfers of Ukrainian civilians — including children — have been widely documented by the UN, Human Rights Watch, and others, and Putin literally denies Ukrainians exist at all. It is not appeal to authority fallacy. They literally report the shit that is happening.

    [–]OstrichEven6885 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ah yes, the benevolent Russian overlords.

    Those who sent the most impoverished men from regions like Tuva to the front in fucking rubber boots.  The Russians who forcefully conscript men in the occupied territories. These saints who kidnap children and send them to new families in Russia.

    I could go on. 

    But you probably don't care. It doesn't fit your narrative. 

    [–]Alcuperone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Russian propaganda bot.

    Seriously, a nation is desperately trying to fight a war, and some dumbass on the internet is calling them the baddies for doing so. Why are they fighting that war?

    [–]Ravenblade727 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    If anything, Europe should send troops in to support these men in defending their homeland from imperialist psychopaths who are also running hybrid warfare against these same nations anyway. I think our lack of meaningful solidarity with Ukraine is actually causing this more than anything. Europe could end this in days if it had the will to do so - and I say that as a European.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Are you going to force the girls to get turned into meat by drone strikes against their will, or just the boys?

    [–]Ravenblade727 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    I'd push for both but the concern would be that the women would be taken and raped by Russian soldiers since that seems to be their MO. Ultimately though, our values and ways of life need to be defended against the nation that is attempting to bring fascism to Europe.

    [–]Different-Product-91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Of course, rape is the worst thing that can happen to a person forced to combat a war. Hypocrisy really has no limits!

    [–]Different-Product-91 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    As expected, this is turning immediately into a Russia vs Ukraine discussion. As someone who cares about men and their lives, I find this off topic and disgusting. The "West" is partial to the Ukrainian regime and its horrors and depicts them as innocent angels, which is off-putting, but neither country deserves any kind of support because of the way it treats its men.

    [–]BRCityzen[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Thank you.

    [–]PropJoesChair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Because this knuckledragger is framing this as if Ukraine has any other choice to maintain its sovereignty. The issue with men being abused and sentenced to miserable death sentences isn't Ukraine's choice - it's Russia's choice to inflict this torture on both sides as well as when it ends.

    Anybody who doesn't see this is misunderstanding the facts of this conflict. It's not even off topic - it's how imperialism abuses the lives of men and sees our lives as currency for games and power

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    [–]JoBoltaHaiWoHotaHai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This sub seems to have gone completely 180° on this topic seemingly.

    Imagine advocating for forced conscription of exclusively men.

    Shame

    [–]FightHateWithLove -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Yes this is horrible.

    The main thing to take away is that it's an example of just how ubiquitous and sinister male disposability is in every culture.

    Everything else OP is saying is obvious Russian propaganda.

    Now, I'm well aware that Russia is not the most popular country on English-speaking Reddit.

    What with violating human rights as a regular policy and spending unknown amounts of blood money on psy-ops to sabotage elections and push social divides across the planet. No, our attacker is not "popular" to us.

    Regardless of where one stands on this war

    That is quite the hand-wave.

    This does not happen in ANY other country on earth -including Russia.

    I've specifically seen video of this happening in Russia. Later you're called out on this and admit that they used to do it. But here you act like it's a level of indecency that's only happening in Ukraine. Your obvious lies are cracks in your believability.

    Zelensky... fight in his military

    Later you will insist that "Putin" is not behind the war but Russia as some nebulous entity. Here is another place inconsistency reveals bias. You want to exploit the sympathy for the men of Ukraine to sew hostility to its government.

    demand that your governments stop funding the war and pressure the sides to come together for peace

    So, just let Russia keep the land it's seized by force? Yeah, that's not a great precedent to set.

    Those who glibly want to retort that "Russia can just go home" or something to that effect, are out of touch with reality. It won't happen

    So because the aggressor won't back down we must appease him? To let whoever is being the most unreasonable to have their way?

    Russia sees NATO expansion as an existential threat to their entire existence. They didn't want this war

    So Ukraine brought this invasion on themselves... by trying to get protection from being invaded? This is some extraordinary victim blaming.

    [–]SnooBeans6591 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    If we are in the US, or in Europe (especially in Europe, as the EU has become the most fervent supporter of continuing the war), demand that your governments stop funding the war

    Nah, definitely not - sending these men to the frontlines without good weapons is the opposite of what they want. If anything, they should increase funding massively while simultaneously pushing Ukraine to stop forced conscription.

    They should even look for voluntaries in their own armies and get involved directly. I am sure Zelensky would accept the deal: motivated voluntary US and EU troops to support, replacing unmotivated untrained forced conscripts.

    [–]Hour_Industry7887 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Смерть русским захватчикам.

    [–]Hour_Industry7887 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    OP, you're Russian, so let me ask you a question. You know that Russian public opinion right now is strongly in favor of invading and occupying the rest of Europe after Ukraine is finished - I work with lots of Russian clients, and "Paris by 2030" is a very common notion that they express.

    Now, let's say you do invade and NATO pushes back and the volunteer fighters are no longer sufficient to make up for the losses. Do you feel your Motherland should at that point should abandon the goal of occupying Europe and surrender, or do you feel it should call a general mobilization and throw every available male (and medically trained female) body at the problem?

    And second question - do you believe that your Motherland will do what you feel it should?